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A Little Jailbreak Drama

A Little Jailbreak Drama

Posted October 6, 2009 at 10:00pm by iClarified · 14804 views
The posting of the usb_control_msg(0x21, 2) Exploit by Chronic Dev to the iPhoneWiki caused a little bit of upset today with GeoHot threatening to stop work on the exploit.


"i discovered that exploit first, and that was really a low blow to try and take credit. have fun with greenpois0n, i am not releasing"

Chronic Dev has since posted the full story on his blog to explain things.

We wanted to make this perfect and bug-free, so it was taking awhile. Soon, people started commenting and emailing me complaints about it taking so long. I can handle this. Then, I start getting ppl threatening to file a dispute with PayPal to get a refund. This is an issue, not because they don’t realize that these were donations, but because PayPal usually sides with the “buyer”, as I have heard in many PayPal horror stories.

When GeoHot announced he would have a jailbreak in two days this sent angry donators into overdrive.

Some people started saying that I was an all out scammer and when geohot released first they would dispute their donation because it “seemed like it was all an elaborate hoax to get a free iPod touch”.

Chronic decided to publish the exploit on the wiki for numerous reasons:
- We knew that we could not get greenpois0n completely finished in time. We needed a perfectly safe NAND write, a ported over 24kPwn, and more to make it totally stable.
- Geohot would release in a few days anyway, so “hiding the exploit from Apple” was not a concern at all.
- We had done a lot of research on the exploit, how it worked, and why it worked, and had everything written up. If Geohot would release in a few days, and we knew we couldn’t do anything, why not share what we already knew with the community? Geohot usually writes up short descriptions and gradually adds on when it comes to exploits, while we already had a nice write-up already made.
- Again, Geohot said a few days, so the idea that we were giving anything to Apple is false, since they would have had it in “a few days” anyway.
- This would cause people to stop hounding about progress + threats to dispute their donation, because it would show that their money went to good use.

GeoHot has since posted that he understands Chronic Dev's reasons and that the two parties discovered the exploit independantly.

"oh i understand your reason...people were reversing their donations. why you shouldn't ask for donations before release"

"i want to apologize, chronic didn't steal the exploit, and i phrased badly. independently discovered"

Those just looking for a jailbreak can rest assure that it is being worked on and still has an ETA of 2 days.

"eh, you're right, I shouldn't take it out on the end user. sorry, i'm pissed off in the morning. k fine, back to work. #2days"

Those threatening to withdraw their donations to Chronic Dev should be grateful for the team's hard work and continued contribution to the community. GeoHot has amazing talents that not many can match. His ability to release a jailbreak earlier does not reduce the importance of donating; especially when donations are used to purchase devices needed for testing and development.

A Little Jailbreak Drama
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Max - October 8, 2009 at 6:38am
i am with geohot to post it in public because it's not easy to fing a bug in the iphone and being stoled is a bad idea i just want him now to focus on blackr0in
brikz - October 7, 2009 at 12:25pm
TO ALL THE WHINERS AND CHEAP BASTARDS WHO WANT THEIR MONEY BACK: People lets focus on the real enemies….APPLE….and the reason why we need a jailbreak….If apple released it from the box with the full capabilities of its potential then it wouldn’t be such a problem….did any of you wankers demand your money back from Apple for only giving you some control of YOUR PROPERTY….and then try to make it illegal for you to control your own property….I DON”T THINK SO… leave the guys that are trying to help you out alone…and blame the real enemy
Dirk - October 7, 2009 at 9:39am
GeoHot might be brilliant, but he is also an immature little cry baby. Get over yourself dude, there are other smart people out there finding exploits too, and they are actually putting much more work into packaging the exploits into user-friendly tools and debugging them than you.
Tom Vanimox
Tom Vanimox - October 7, 2009 at 11:09pm
What are you talking bought, Geohot has done quite a bit so shut up!!
Steve - October 7, 2009 at 4:29am
How boring I have a 3gs on 3.1 jailbroke already using windows and a custom firmware so all s bit late anyway now
Tom Vanimox
Tom Vanimox - October 7, 2009 at 11:12pm
You have your's jailbroken because you already had your iphone 3gs jailbroken on 3.0/3.0.1 and did the jailbreak update from there to 3.1, but for those who got there iphones "out of the box" on 3.1 cannot so easily do a jailbreak and thats what this whole thing is about...
turim - October 7, 2009 at 2:17am
Hehe, how mature the comments on this matter is :-D
al - October 7, 2009 at 1:05am
lol drama
Jojo - October 7, 2009 at 12:54am
I am frustrated because I have already purchased a lot of jailbreak programs in the past which I am now unable to reload and use because my factory-unlocked iPhone 3G doesn't have the necessary jailbroken (Cydia/Icy) apps. The computer which I use is a PC thus I need the windows based version of Pwnage Tool or equivalent. I paid in good faith for all these "jailbreak" apps so I feel cheated when a viable fix/method so I can reload these apps on my phone is not being addressed or being developed.
DWayne - October 7, 2009 at 12:43am
Man as much as I respect Geo you were dead on.
Peed off user
Peed off user - October 7, 2009 at 12:54am
Why don't you all shut the f**k up and stop slagging these guys off. I can see the point made by both of them, and there has been a public apology. You winging users should be more f**king grateful for what these guys do for us all. Let's face it, you also slag off Apple, but you buy your devices in the full knowledge of how Apple limits their use. If you don't like it, don't buy it!
Rob E
Rob E - October 7, 2009 at 1:51am
I wouldn't donate to anyone except if they ship a working program like pwnagetool. And first afterwards. There are so many scammers out there and everyone wants to have a piece of the iPhone cake. //Rob
Jonno - October 7, 2009 at 7:31am
You're calling the jailbreakers children? Have you read your comments? er... It's called a donation, look up the definition of the word. If you don't like waiting, don't donate.
Tom Vanimox
Tom Vanimox - October 7, 2009 at 11:15pm
Cant de-nigh that, Geohot has much knowledge of computers and shit, but really Geohot, you need to get out more rather than sitting infront of your computer 24/7...
B - October 8, 2010 at 9:15pm
your pretty stinkin stupid... geo was not the one who posted the exploit... it was chronic who posted it...
iName - October 7, 2009 at 12:04am
im sorry but the entire iphone jailbreak devs are such babies. just release the software no one cares about your stupid drama.
N41 - October 6, 2009 at 11:25pm
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