Apple is Now Scanning Photos Uploaded to iCloud for Child Abuse

Apple is Now Scanning Photos Uploaded to iCloud for Child Abuse

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1reader - January 14, 2020 at 1:54am
https://apple.news/A0Ue1iIylT-Gxpyw6bI77PA For all supporters of Apple trying to be the “good cop”... read the article “Apple is offering the FBI 'no substantive assistance' in unlocking two iPhones related to a shooting case, says Attorney General Barr” from Business Insider or the link above
ipadguy - January 13, 2020 at 10:03am
If this stops or fights child pornography then no problem scan away apple. But let’s be honest there basically saying that they have the keys to all of your personal data and they’ve had them for a long time but now they’re actually looking through it, that means they’re scanning for any and every illegal thing or not illegal things they’re just scanning at all!!! And I’m fine with that too hope they don’t find my pot lol But since they’re scanning everything there’s no telling what they can fine other than naked ex Disney celebrities lol But now that they’re looking at all of your stuff maybe we’re going to have a new Facebook problems later on down the line!
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1reader - January 10, 2020 at 3:52am
What happened with “what’s on your iPhone stays on your iPhone”?! Or now is “what’s on your iCloud is in our hands to judge!” There is a platform for that, it’s called Facebook you know?!
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tobybartlett - January 9, 2020 at 9:04pm
What I don’t understand, is that if someone is engaging in something so disgusting and universally illegal as child pornography, are they dumb enough to turn iCloud backups on and toggle the Photos option to on? I’d be curious to know if this has ever caught one of these sickos. If my phone were full of incriminating files of any sort, I wouldn’t back up to the cloud but Apple seems to think they are? Knowing that this tactic has succeeded would make me much More comfortable for even an algorithm scanning my files. This is a quote from iClarified: “ As a reminder, if you are using Apple's iCloud services your data is not secure. Apple has the encryption keys to your photos, contacts, calendars, bookmarks, mail, notes, voice memos, health, call history, and files. Even your messages are not secure if you have iCloud backup enabled.“
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1reader - January 9, 2020 at 9:20pm
Exactly! 👍🏻
the voice of reason - January 10, 2020 at 12:47am
@toby, I think the answer to your question is that most images are now stored and shared online, which is still probably "safer" for the sickos than doing so in physical form. In order for someone not to use digital files, they'd have to take their own photos and to do so they'd have to commit the actual molestation themselves, and then keep the physical evidence. There are documentaries which show the depravity of people that create and distribute this filth in dark-web marketplaces. This Apple filter is a good thing, let's just make sure it doesn't get used or exploited for other illicit reasons. Balance, as always.
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tobybartlett - January 10, 2020 at 2:01am
@voiceofreason (I love your handle BTW) I agree these images and videos are distributed online, and have been for decades now. But perhaps I’m giving these perverts too much credit when it comes to storing them. I’m Canadian, and in my hometown we have the offices of the Canadian Centre for Child Protection. It is a national charity to help exploited children and survivors. It’s a fantastic charity and they do very important work funded from corporations and the Canadian Government. In my support of this charity I’ve had the opportunity to speak to people who had or still did work in this field. What I heard was nothing less than shocking—I’m speaking about what these pedophiles do to share content across the Internet without getting caught. I work in tech (and while I’m not a network engineer) I was able to follow (for the most part) the insanely technically complicated setups these groups use to avoid being caught. Layers of encryption, blockchain tools, using multiple VPNs across multiple jurisdictions to slow down law enforcement and ToR just to name a few. So, because I’ve heard all of this from so many people who’s jobs are to assist catching these guys saying that they would turn iCloud backups on just throws me for a loop. Their servers will be on another continent, behind layers and layers of encryption with keys shared via pieces of paper that they hand deliver by flying across the globe, yet Apple wants to scan the photos of its user base for these photos? Maybe (and I do want to give Apple the benefit of the doubt here), the not-so-organized sickos and the lone perverts that aren’t part of a multinational child porn ring is who they’re after. I don’t know enough about the topic to understand if this is such a large problem, that Apple—the people who position the features of their Photos privacy on their website—need to scan billions of images to catch these criminals. It just seems odd is all. I don’t have any images I wouldn’t mind ending up on a Times Square billboard. I’m not that interesting, nor am I a pedophile. I am, however, a huge privacy advocate and as such, algorithms looking over my photos is a slippery slope that needs to be monitored. I’ll wrap this up because this is turning into an article, but if I search on my iPhone for “dogs” in my photos app, the AI finds dogs. But it achieves this with on-device AI. Moving it off device goes against everything Tim Cook keeps saying about Apple. I am not saying these perverts deserve a modicum of privacy or anything remotely close to that. I just want to know that this scanning of photos can’t be abused. Toby
the voice of reason - January 9, 2020 at 8:30pm
People have such strong opinions about things they've given such little thought to... the point here is not whether you think you live in the matrix, the points is whether it is ok for apple to do this IF they disclose it to their customers. You can agree or disagree, but THAT is the point. Personally I am ok with it, as long as they disclose it like they have. Can't think of anything more despicable than child pornograpy, and I have no problem with this practice. Political thought or anything else is an entirely different issue.
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1reader - January 9, 2020 at 8:56pm
Sorry you are wrong! Check how many cases FBI has for child ... or real crimes where they can’t have access to iCloud of the “bad guy” to help the innocents and Apple is not cooperating. And sometimes they were ordered by judge to do that and they refused. Or why they allowed so many isis fighters to store/post “bad footages” online for their propaganda? When they could disable those accounts immediately. You are born in captivity (digital) my friend and you can’t see any different. Open your eyes! Can you imagine postal services looking into every mails for certain text or phrases ?!
the voice of reason - January 10, 2020 at 12:41am
Lol... I'm born in captivity... thank you for saving me, Spartacus! lol I can imagine postal services scanning for illegal or harmful substances, as they do. However, you're making a false comparison... postal services is a government service bound by the law of the land, however that may change or be interpreted. Apple is a private company and we are free to use or not use their services if we don't like their terms and conditions of use. You should think about issues on their own merits instead of applying your biases on everything you see. :-/
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1reader - January 10, 2020 at 1:58am
The fact that you call your self “voice of reason” and fail to understand a valid reason regarding privacy it just shows that you are an obedient client. Privacy is everything FYI. This is not Google. The fact you don’t see the difference btw this companies it shows that the line was crossed and slowly I would say majority of people would give up their privacy for nothing.
the voice of reason - January 10, 2020 at 2:12am
@1reader, maybe your point is valid, but then you're not expressing it well. I broke down mine in simple, easy to digest components: (1) should/can Apple do this, and (2) if they do, should they tell us. We can disagree on (1), but since they're doing (2) our freedom is not impinged on in any way... there are other options available to us. If you have something to say other than making assumptions about me, please make your point coherently. Peace. :)
1reader - January 10, 2020 at 2:21am
I didn’t said I saved your life, but I give you something to consider (or to reason with this thought). They shouldn’t mess with our data. If you read carefully you would read that they mention illegal picture and later the article mentions about text, contacts... our data. I’m against those ppl too, but they consider what’s illegal or not. Consider this: Apple health data or HomeKit is in the cloud too, if they slowly are chipping from privacy, what if in the future the fact that you run your electricity during certain hours (which is “against planet“ let’s say a person like AOC wins the WH) and they report on you for disobedience with that government. In other words, don’t open the pandora box. Leave it closed. Have you see the news regarding ring employees who for few years were spying on people ring doorbells. Bottom line leave technology alone to do it’s role. We don’t need another government over our tools.
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PaulieP - January 9, 2020 at 5:09pm
It’s about the kids, they’re more important than our privacy. If this helps stop and catch pedophiles before they can hurt another child, I’m down, I have nothing to hide. The ress asl TRUTH is, most of you guys are in an uproar just because you’re worried that Apple’s gonna see all the dick pics you’ve taken. not only that, they’re going to laugh at them. Hahahaha
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1reader - January 9, 2020 at 5:39pm
You are wrong, when you are starting to look into customers private business who stops you to look into presidential candidates or presidents and gain more power. Your answer is complying with their practice because it shows that you don’t think outside the box. You are in the box and you are happy about it, until one day. And then what?
PaulieP - January 10, 2020 at 1:03pm
You’re an imbecile who is way too passionate and probably is a pedophile hiding pics on your phone. Ease up bucko, what are you hiding?
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1reader - January 10, 2020 at 3:41pm
And you are wrong again: You can’t keep your emotions in place and call ppl all kind of adjectives. A smart person will care about his/hers privacy. The hell with pedophiles and they will burn one day but your privacy once you lose it is really hard to get it back. Try to erase a document from google drive, you might not see it any but google still has it or if you have a link to that file you can still get it back... think for 5 min before you go online.
MsPaulina - January 10, 2020 at 4:35pm
@pauliePrick It’s funny how you call everyone an imbecile because you don’t like their opinions. Your still an AZZHOLE! Just my opinion though. 😁
PaulieP - January 11, 2020 at 10:39pm
You say they will burn one day but how? Some magical force will burn and only burn all pedophiles? I don’t agree that our privacy is being violated this way, it’s not like someone is sitting and staring at everyone’s photos. It’s a scanning software that searches for pedophile activity. I am happy to hear we are doing something about this. It shouldn’t be about privacy as much as it should be about transparency. That is why I feel the way I do. Oh and this is to Ms Paulina, you really need to get a life bucko.
1reader - January 12, 2020 at 4:32am
It’s not that easy as you write. Software can flag your pictures for some reasons (it depends on the algorithm). Then it is sent for manual review (especially if you complain). Manual review = someone goes into your stuff to make a conclusion. Think for 5 minutes! #1. Right now you might have pictures with flowers and trees and later on might not be the same. #2. Once they start deny services for one reason most likely other reasons will be added to deny services.
crc285 - January 9, 2020 at 8:10am
We all knew one day Apple will start “helping” by spying on there clients. I’m not 100% if they know we aren’t in China.
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tobybartlett - January 9, 2020 at 2:11pm
“Designed by Apple in California. Assembled in China.” It’s been on the box the whole time and we never realized! 😱 😂
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vonxxx - January 9, 2020 at 6:41am
Great, now all pedofil must have android! 😂
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1reader - January 9, 2020 at 5:11am
After this practice will be seen as normality, what’s next, both cameras and mics will tell on us in case we are going to do something “illegal” or against that current system (democratic or republican) ?! Where is our privacy that Apple was so proud about it?
tobybartlett - January 9, 2020 at 6:01am
That is, to hope they aren’t doing this already... 😬
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zetaprime - January 9, 2020 at 12:42am
More Big Brother. Orwell never meant to predict the future when he wrote ‘1984’. But her sure nailed it and what we have now is even worse than what he could have imagined.
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